Breaking Down the Hatybov Mythos : A Perspective from Europe

Breaking Down the Hatybov Mythos : A Perspective from Europe


The Hatybov mythos? What more can be said? I have always stated that the material is possibly a mix of science fiction, allegory, the motion picture The Matrix, and other random philosophies. One can see the work of Pythagoras, Robert Anton Wilson, and even Gurdjieff popping up randomly within the basis of the material. Whether the person existed or not, I still have no idea, but one still sees the name occasionally appear alongside ideas such as the Lunar Wave and even the black goo phenomenon of recent months.

Fortunately, I was recently able to come into correspondence with Dr. Michael Willow, a physicist currently working at a University in Poland. Dr. Willow has much to say regarding the material I have called the Hatybov Mythos, and he was kind enough to grant me a written interview over the past few days.

Dr. Willow has provided many links for further study and reference, and we cover things like the Lunar Wave, the Luna Hatybov article, and even a bit of Nikolai Levashov. So without further hesitation, let’s jump into the conversation.

This interview was conducted May 2 through May 6 of 2017.

Q : Hi Michael, thank you for taking the time to chat with me. Before digging into your work and research, can you tell the readers about a) little bit about yourself and b) how you became aware of the “Hatybov” material?

A: I am a physicist. I have (co)authored about 40 scientific papers in Optics and Solid State Physics, I have published two books with lecture notes in Classical Mechanics and Electrodynamics for graduate students. In my free time among other hobbies are enjoy reading about matters which are out of bounds of “orthodox science”, however I carefully try not to mix these two areas together. I read and speak fluent Russian, and a bit less fluent English and can read German (also old text written in the so called Gothic letters).

About a year ago I stumbled on a “lunar wave” proposed by a gentleman by the nickname Crow. In my opinion his arguments about the extraordinary nature of his discovery are weak, however he mentioned some Russian research which sounded interesting. His mangled pronunciation of a name “Khatybov”, which I believe is the correct transliteration from Cyrillic, but I was able to locate this material and familiarize myself with it.

Q : Ok, that is very similar to how I got involved with the idea of Hatybov, and the idea of the Lunar Wave. Before we dig into the material of this alleged Soviet scientist, I’m curious…what’s your take on the construct of the Lunar Wave?


A: Let’s assume that something strange happens with the Moon. What will be the sequence of steps to carry out, for a scientifically minded person to do, in order to dig out the truth. According to the paradigm of “Occam’s razor” you do not introduce new concepts until old concepts are proven not to work, and start from the simplest explanations going to the more complicated ones, as needed. If you do not perform these steps and instead rush to premature conclusions, nobody in the scientific community would bother to discuss the matter with you. I assume this is not arrogance on their part, but the lack of due diligence on yours.

1. It is “an instrument error”.

In the ideal case you should build your own measuring instruments, or at last have a good knowledge of how they work. In modern days you do not grind telescopic mirrors yourself, but you should at least understand what an optical angular resolution mean, what types of aberrations occur in optical systems etc. In case of a digital camera you should understand how a CCD chip collects light, or how the digital image in created and stored in the memory.

You verify that the instruments are working properly, and that the observed effect occurs independently of a particular instrumental setup.

2. The effect is somehow introduced between your instrument and the observed object i.e. Moon. The media between the Moon and the telescope is the Earth’s atmosphere. Let’s consult a good book on amateur astronomy. If we like to stick with the Russian sources I can cite: “An Amateur Astronomer’s Telescope” by M.S. Navashin, Moscow 1974. In chapter X: “A work with the telescope” we find section 2: “Atmospheric disturbances and observation conditions”. I cite a small paragraph (in my translation):

“If we point our telescope to the Moon and focus the image, we almost always note that the edge of the disk (the “limb”) somehow waves, looks like in a flux, resembling a flag fluttering in a wind. This “flag effect” as it is frequently called is the result of atmospheric waves of different temperature and density moving through the optical path. These waves induce differences in the refractive index of air, and consequently bend the light rays coming from the Moon. Besides the “flag effect” one notes the changes of the sharpness of details of the Moon, the most minute parts of which disappear and reappear constantly.”

Atmospheric waves should influence in the same way, not only the image of the surface of the Moon but also the images of the neighboring stars. Therefore you should try to register them both, probably with two different cameras. The large luminosity of the Moon’s disk prevents to register faint images of stars with a single camera.

A good proof that “lunar wave” is not caused by a local atmospheric disturbance, would be to register it simultaneously from two vantage points, separated by some distance. I believe it would be possible to do with a set of amateur lunar observatories, similar to the amateur weather stations and storm monitor networks, which exist today and are connected in real time by the Internet.

3. Now we are sure that we discovered something real and new, and then begins the exciting part of investigating what it is. First we start by trying to explain the effect by the existing laws of astrophysics. For example: The Moon has no atmosphere of its own, in the conventional sense of a gaseous layer above its surface. Maybe we observe a disturbance in some other kind of matter surrounding the Moon such as as rare ionized plasma. One can find in the literature indications of emissions from the volcanic activity on the Moon’s surface. For example, one Soviet astronomer in the 50-ties was able to obtain a spectrogram of a cloud emitted from the crater Alphonsus.

4. If conventional explanation fails then we began to tie in:

– Moon system of control

– holograms

– gravito-magnetic waves, etc.

5. An independent avenue of research would be to sift through the old literature in search of a description of a similar phenomenon. Unfortunately, modern astronomers do not like to look to the Moon, they prefer to investigate distant galaxies, quasars and hidden planets around dwarf stars.

Modern astronomy begins with Galileo Galilei pointing his refractor at Moon, rings of Saturn and the satellites of Jupiter. I would start from the first description of the surface of the Moon, which is “Selenographia” by Jan Hevelius, and work my way through the volumes of XVIII and XIX century works, which now are available in the internet in the form of scanned books. The explanation of the complex motion of the Moon through the stars was a central problem of Celestial Mechanics in XIX century. The finest result of this research was Brown’s Analytical Lunar Theory. If “lunar wave” is real then clearly somebody of the XIX-century astronomers should have noted it, even as a footnote to his observations.,_sive_Lunae_descriptio

Of course, later on, such a strange phenomenon would certainly be ignored or ridiculed by a new generation of astronomers, as was the case with Mars canals of Giovanni Schiaparelli and Percival Lowell.

By the way, I do not consider Wikipedia as an ultimate source of knowledge, but in some (nonpolitical) areas it can be considered a good and quick start to familiarize yourself with the subject.

Q : I think the methodology you present in approaching any problem, the lunar wave or otherwise, is the perfect example on how to approach the greater mysteries of all of this material. I know a lot of people who read this will search out the literature you are recommending regarding Luna, me included. As we begin to dive into the subject of Hatybov, perhaps Luna is the appropriate place to begin. The article Luna” (see link has been of interest to many in the alternate research community; I’ve tried to make sense of it, but I’m not sure exactly whether the information if fiction, alternate science, or some combination of both. Are you familiar with the piece? If so, what is your interpretation of it?


A: I will present excerpts from his article in my own translation from Russian. In the following X denotes Khatybov’s work. M are my comments in red.

Moon. The most unknown place of the Solar System

Section 1.

X. He starts the article by stating that the Moon has its own UFOs and the Apollo missions are animations.

X. He correctly informs that Muslims use a lunar calendar.

X. He gives a “Vocabulary” which contains a list of some astronomical constants.

M. These can be found in any manual on astrophysics. Values are correct.

X. He lists astrophysical parameters of the Sun, which are correct.

X. He mentions the explosion of the planet “Phaeton”.

M. Between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter there exists a large belt of thousands of small rocks, called planetoids. Astronomers assume that these are remnants of a larger planet called “Phaeton”, which was destroyed a long ago. The exact cause of its destruction is unknown, but the astronomers assume that it was pulled apart by tidal forces of gravitational origin. The Phaeton’s orbit probably crossed the orbit of one of giant planets of our Solar System, such as Jupiter or Saturn.

X. Then he says that Phaeton “blow himself up” in order to destroy two enemy moons.


M. This is a star-wars type phantasy.

X. Then comes the list of correct values of astrophysical parameters of our Moon.

Section 2.

X. He writes that the chemical composition of the Moon contains a lot of sulphur and radioactive rare-earths elements.

M. This may be true or not.

X. Now he states that the Moon is hollow.


M. This idea is not generally accepted in astrophysics, however you can find information about seismic experiments during Apollo missions which yielded anomalous results.

M. Note that there is a logical fallacy contained here. If you do not believe in Apollo missions, then you should not accept results of these experiments as a valid argument that the Moon is hollow. Moreover, you cannot argue about chemical composition of the Moon, if you consider the Moon’s rocks to be fake.

X. He says that the surface of the Moon was created by dust accretion (accumulation) with subsequent heating.

M. This can be considered as a valid astrophysical hypothesis.

X. Then comes the sentence (underlined): “There is nothing on the surface of the Moon”,

M. This is in direct contradiction to the previous sentence.

X. He lists some physical parameters of the internal surface of the Moon (assuming it is hollow) with strange values:

– gravitational acceleration 50% larger than on Earth

– internal light with intensity of 120 lux per square meter


M. This corresponds to an overcast day:

However he gets the units wrong. Lux is a lumen per square meter.

X. – There is some kind of a life support infrastructure protected against outside detection on the Moon.

Moon Defense

M. This sounds like a description of a planet size space-ship. Again star-wars fantasy.

X. Then he states that there are some radiation pulses coming from the Moon to Earth, which can influence the velocity of Moon’s orbit, and are not harmful to the Earth.

M. A real scientific analogy could be the problem of the secular acceleration of the Moon

X. He says that the main reason of “Moon system complexes” is to stabilize the “albedo” value of the Solar System.

M. I think his use of the term “albedo” is misleading. In physics “albedo” means the percentage of the reflected light. For example the surface of the Moon has mean albedo 0.14, i.e. it reflects 14% of the light incoming from the Sun.

X. He mentions that the sequences of “radiations” from the Moon are correlated with Moon’s phases. The largest intensity comes from full Moon, each radiation sequence lasts 6.25 days. There are 4 days with no radiation.

M. If we take this in the conventional sense that the full Moon is most bright and the new Moon is dark then it sounds correct.

X. He says that during the correction of the Moon’s orbit there may appear “a diffraction effect” in the upper layers of Earth’s atmosphere.

M. Diffraction of light and radio waves in the Earth’s atmosphere is an accepted physical phenomenon.

X. He mentions that sometimes one can see multiple Moons, and this effect can last up to 4 hours.

M. The appearance of many Moons and Suns is a known optical effect caused by a suspension of small ice crystals in the cold air.

I personally saw six Suns with my own eyes in winter during a mountain trip.

X. At last he says that the prolonged correction (when the albedo of the Solar System is disrupted) can lead to optical mirage (illusion) and possibly liquidate (destroy) the protective layer.

M. I cannot make sense of this sentence.

Section 3. The metric of the space.

M. “Metric” is a geometric term used in the General Theory of Relativity (GTO).

X. He mentions that clocks at the roof of a skyscraper and in its basement differ.

M. This is the effect of the dilatation of time in the gravitational field, known from GTO.

X. He says he wants to determine the real values of fundamental physical constants.

M. The correct values of which he listed previously. In physics fundamental constants are “fundamental” i.e. we assume that their values do not change in time and do not depend on the position of the observer in space. This is a controversial topic, discussed by many famous physicists.

X. He mentions libration of the Moon and the direction of the Earth’s axis of rotation.

M. No problem with that.

Section 4. The role of the Moon

X. He says that the science knows that the Moon has a large influence on the life on Earth. During the full Moon the pull of the gravitational field of Earth is diminished, hence plants can absorb more water and microelements from the soil. Herbs collected during full Moon are most potent.

M. I can agree with that.

X. He says that the Moon influences the magnetic field of the Earth.

M. I don’t know if this is true, but assume one can easily check that by consulting a book on geomagnetism.

X. He mentions that tidal waves are caused by the Moon. It also affects temperature, pressure and winds in the Earth’s atmosphere.

M. I can agree with that.

X. He repeats that plants’ growth and animal activity depend on the phases of the Moon.

M. This is a common knowledge.

X. He says that people are more aggressive during the full Moon.

M. Maybe.

X. He connects female ovulation with the phases of the Moon. A woman ovulates during the same phase of the Moon as she was born at. Women menstruate during full and new Moon.

M. I cannot verify that, I am a man.

X. More boys are born during waning Moon. Weddings happen during growing Moon, etc.

M. I call it folklore.

X. He mentions that the plane of the Moon’s orbit around the Earth lies at a certain inclination angle to the plane of the Earth’s orbit around the Sun . He presents an illustrating picture.

M. This is common knowledge in elemental astronomy. I believe that the angles presented are more of less correct. However, in reality they are not constant and oscillate around mean values.

Section 5. Astronomical unit of measurement

X. Based on the velocity of the Earth during revolutions around Sun and on the duration of the year he gives the correct value of the mean Earth-Sun distance as 149.5 millions of kilometers. Then he calls this length “a parsec” and states that this is the unit of measurement for the whole Universe.

M. In astronomy, the mean radius of the Earth’s orbit is called “the astronomical unit” denoted by A.U. Parsec is the distance in space, from where one sees the Earth’s orbit under an angle of one arcsecond. This is a large distance equal to 3.26 light years. One usually express distances in the Universe in light years or parsecs.

Mixing parsec and A.U. may be a mistake on his part or a deliberate obfuscation.

Section 5. The real value of astronomical unit of measurement

X. He offers an argument that in reality the trajectory of the Earth in space is a spiral and not the elliptic orbit, because the Solar System moves as a whole in the field of a galactic reper.

M. This is true, if one assumes that by a “galactic reper” he means the center of our galaxy.

X. He states that the center of mass of the Earth is shifted by 221.6 km from its geometrical center, in the direction of the South Pole.

M. I believe this is incorrect.

X. He argues that in this case an elliptic orbit is impossible because the Earth should move in her orbit with the South Pole inclined forward to the direction of her motion, and in reality the South Pole is inclined backward. Then he says that the axis of rotation of an asymmetric top (gyroscope) can only be perpendicular to the plane of the orbit.

M. His arguments are not based on sound physical principles. I should note however, that the problem of rotation of an asymmetric top is one of the hardest in Classical Mechanics.,_Euler,_and_Kovalevskaya_tops

X. He says that the angle of inclination between the plane of Earth’s orbit and the plane of the Earth’s equator is the result of all external forces acting on Earth, including radiation pressure from the Sun, vacuum drag forces and the influence of the gravitational reper.

M. I may agree that these forces influence the motion of the Earth, however current science assumes that this angle and corresponding angles for all other planets were determined during the process of creation of the Solar System and then remained more or less constant, except for the so called secular perturbations.

X. Now he uses the spiral motion model to determine that the real distance between Earth and Sun is less by 9% from the value given by astronomers. In the corresponding picture he adds two velocity vectors of the Earth: around the Sun, and the rectilinear motion through our Galaxy.

M. This is not true. If Earth and Sun move together through the Galaxy, then their mutual distance is unaffected.

X. Then he states that the shorter distance between Earth and Sun means it takes less time for the light to travel from the Sun to the Earth by 41 seconds. He says that this time difference changed the original tempo interval of Earth’s life supporting systems. The unused or missing power from these systems is accumulating and these systems may finally go out of order.

M. This reminds me of current global warming and climate change propaganda.

Section 6. Gravitational reper

X. There is only a simple picture here with a caption.

M. Not much to comment about. I believe that the correct translation of the term “reper” would be “benchmark”, but I will leave the original.

Section 4. The libration of the Moon.

X. He argues that the “wobbling” of the Moon is caused by the spiral motion of the Earth.

M. If we assume that by “libration” he means the term used in astronomy, then his pictures have nothing in common with real astronomy. I may call it at least a gross oversimplification.

Section 7. Practical application of the “parsec” constant

X. He wants to use his value of a “parsec”.

Section 8.1. Control of time

X. He says that any object with the non-inertial mass has its own proper time, which is determined by a pulse generator of a high octave. The Earth has 128-th octave. Single pulse equals one second. Biological tempo is a bit different and equals 1.0007 sec and is generated by colliders. Then comes more sci-fi.

M. This is beyond current physics.

X. Now he says that without this life support system working properly, the life on Earth would cease.

M. You ecologists should take care of Mother Earth.

X. Then he repeats that 41 seconds of time difference may disrupt the life support systems, transmissions of messages may not reach the recipients, and this presents an opportunity for alien civilizations to intervene in our affairs.

Section 8.2 Astronomical structures of coordination control

X. To these structures he counts the Giza pyramid. He lists the angle of the main corridor entrance to the pyramid. He argues that this is equal to the original value of the obliquity of the ecliptic before the existence of the Moon around Earth. In these pre-moon times you should see the Polar Star through this corridor in day-time.

M. As I understand, he uses a basic math to calculate that in the pre-moon times there was no rectilinear motion of the Solar System and the Earth moved around a true elliptic orbit instead of a spiral as it is now.

Section 9. The original reper.

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X. He lists geographical coordinates of “an original reper”: 37.5 longitude east, 54.3750 latitude north. Then he determines that the original direction of the reper points to the fourth star in constellation Ursa Major called Megrez. He reasons that this original reper was created after the appearance of the Moon. Then he cites the opus of Nikolai Morozov entitled “Khristos” = The Christ and there comes and unexpected joke about the Mayor of Moscow Yury Luzhkov, fired by President of Russia Medvedev in 2010.,37.5,8z

M. original reper is in Malakhovo village near Tula in Russia.

M. I begin to suspect that all of this is a just an elaborate joke to fool the innocent and the gullible public.

Section 10. Orientation

X. He present a schematic explaining the shift from the “starting reper” pointing to the Polar Star, to the “initial reper” pointing to Megrez. He warns that this may lead to long-time disruption of the original life supporting system on Earth.

M. And this is the real cause of global warming.

X. He presents a picture illustrating the evolution of the inclination angle of Moon’s orbit through the last 4 millenia.

M. I could accept that.

X. He says that in the consequence date of Easter is drifting. In Orthodox Church the Easter is called Paskha (or Pascha from Latin Passion), he calls it also the “optimal time”.


M. Maybe. These are bits of Morozov’s research.

Section 11. Communication

X. We will explain the principles of communications between neutron systems by the example of communications with object S64 (code name SS433). Parameters of access: during the translation times: 00:30, 08:30, 16:30 (receiving shifted by 4 hours) the message is emitted into the conical angle of 0.000000248 arcseconds. Assuming the active receiving radius of 124’000 km, the intercept circle will measure 30.75 meters on the zone surface. When the messages are received, 75% of the resonance peak falls into the double radius of the active receiving zone, and can be taken in by any station. Then he gives some more data and numbers (…)

M. Looks like a a pseudo-technical jargon to me. By the way, the angular precision of 0.25 milliarcseconds required to receive these alleged messages is staggering. This can be matched only to recent technical developments in measurement techniques: laser ranging from light reflectors on the Moon and Very Large Base Interferometry. If you do not believe in Apollo missions then this is not for you.

X. The signal is frequency coded. Batches of eight frequencies (called octaves) are used. The whole message contains 2304 letters. Total time of transmission-receiving lasts 38 minutes and 24 seconds.

M. Then he adds some more details, which I suppose are only interesting to people who wish to construct their own receiver.

X. Up to year 1266 transmission was in Hebrew, from 1266 to 2006 in English, now is in Russian. He may just mean that letters from the corresponding alphabet are used.

M. You should really start to learn Russian letters, folks.

X. Now he lists frequencies of lunar transmitters.

M. I will try to catch them with my dish antenna and TV decoder.

Section 13. Lunar luminance

X. He depicts a graph of intensity of lunar emissions as a function of lunar phases. Then he states that the luminosity of the Moon is caused by its internal systems, and by the Sun and the Earth. Then he says that the surface of the Moon reflects nothing, and repeats that its luminosity is conditioned by interference of working frequencies created by the Sun and the Moon, and by the current position of a “communications link”. He calls it “Earth’s shadow” or “a tube”. Then: during the dump of new programs to the Earth one can observe rings (halos) around the Moon, which happens always in the III-rd phase.

M. This is nice sci-fi connected to real optical phenomena.

Section 14. Lunar archive

X. The main function of moons in the Solar System is to perform control of their corresponding hosts (planets). Some of the moons contain the “archive”. The dump of archive data is initiated by commands from the Earth’s Control System. This data is transmitted to the Moon in order to create a new “program”, which fits new conditions already created on the Earth. The work on archive data is performed only by the Moon, however these are standardized to other data, which were obtained during previous captures of other planets in the Universe. There is a powerful computing center on the Moon. However, its abilities were limited by the destruction of two rogue moons and UFOs objects by Phaeton. The original alien complex contained three moons.

M. Space pirates and the Moon death star. Hopefully, Luke Skywalker will destroy them all.

X. He says that the planetoids fall on the Sun creating black spots.

M. He should check his astrophysics.

Section 15. Paskha = Easter

X. He says that the Earth Control Systems are synchronized by the Sun taking into account the Moon’s orbit. Then he puts some real astronomical terms into the mix.

X. The humanity is divided into three genotypes:


1. #42 – main part, more that 5 billion

2. #44 – the “golden billion” which have a brain brought from the moons of other planets in the Solar System.

3. #46 – the “golden million” = 1’2000’000 people dumped from the Sun planet.

M. Is this an old racist teaching in new clothes? I believe that by the term “genotype” he means “internal structure of higher brain functions”.

X. He mentions that the Sun is a planet and not a star, and is not larger than Earth.

M. Logical error here. He accepts the distance to the Sun as 150 million km. Everybody with a naked eye can determine that the angular size of the Sun as seen from the Earth is approximately 30 arcminutes. Then, it follows that the Sun is much larger than the Earth. In astronomy a star is an astronomical object which emits its own light. He borrowed his ideas from the Space Odyssey 2001, when they try to turn Jupiter or Saturn into a star.

X. The change of genotype #42 into #44 and #44 occurs during Easter. Up to 2009 all Easters happened during the III-rd phase of the Moon.

M. The second sentence is not true.

X. In 2009 the creation of genotypes #44 and #46 was finished and the #42’s can be destroyed. The 2009 Easter at 19 April will happen at a new Moon, and the Earth System of Control will destroy #42 people. The Moon will remove the rests of their brain functions. The process will take three years up to 2012. Earlier, there existed a week-long cycle starting from 9 Ab (Jewish calendar), when all of these to whom a new brain would not fit were destroyed (“kholokhost”).

M. These are ramblings of a schizophrenic antisemite.

X. Then he mentions the Julian and Gregorian calendars and the Metonic cycle.

M. This again are bits of Morozov’s research.

Section 16. Lunar unidentified flying objects (UFOs)

X. All “lunatics” reside inside the Moon. The atmosphere of the Moon is there only for the control, and surviving in this atmosphere without means of protection is impossible.

M. I suspect he really does not believe in Moon landings.

X. To control its own surface and the atmosphere, the Moon commands its own UFOs. These are mostly automated, but some are piloted. The maximal height of flight is less than 2 kilometers. The “lunatics” are not destined for the Earth. They contain sufficiently comfortable conditions for work and rest. There are total 242 object on the Moon (36 types), and 16 of these have pilots. Analogous object can be found on some other moons, including Phobos.

M. Everybody should read instead two sci-fi books about the Moon by Polish writers:

One is a trilogy entitled “On a silver globe” by Jerzy Żuławski. His grandson Andrzej Żuławski made a sci-fi movie based on his grandfather’s books.


The second is “Peace on Earth” by Stanislaw Lem.

These are a lot better than this stuff and much better than Jules Verne.

Section 17. Lunar protection shield

X. He says that the Moon has a special status and is protected by an antigravitational shield, which deflects any impacting meteorite. There is no shield from the Earth’s side.

M. Therefore we can land on the Moon, unfortunately not on the far side.

X. He says the the Moon is the only satellite which has a direct link with the planet Sur rotating around the Megrez star.

M. The Big Sur in California coast is the place where rich people live (with spider brains).

Section 18. Distant communication link


X. Communications with Sur require enormous amounts of energy. The link is open only during three months after the vernal equinox. The link bandwidth depends on the speed of light which depends in turn on the frequency of the signal. Total of 216 symbols are transmitted during one cycle of communication. Only one cycle of transmission is available after the end of each Metonic cycle. The next cycle will happen in 11.4 year, and this will deplete the energy resources of the Solar System by 30%.

M. Let’s break into this link and send the spiders a big upright middle finger.

Section 19. The lunar phases again

X. He argues that the geometrical form of the lunar phases cannot be described by the current astronomical model. Then he says that according to encyclopedias the Moon rotates around the Earth, therefore we should see the change of all 10 (sic) phases in a three days.

M. I will only comment that three-dimensional perspective may be hard to visualize. Sometimes you can see the Sun and the Moon simultaneously in the sky. If you draw a straight line joining them, then use can see that the lunar terminator is not perpendicular to this line. What you should do instead is to draw a segment of a great circle. From the point of an observer on the surface of the Earth these are objects which are practically at infinity.

X. He finishes by repeating that the surface of the Moon reflects nothing. If the Moon’s systems would be switched off by removing the frequencies from the Moon-Earth communications links, then the Moon should cease to be seen. Moreover, switching off some of the gravitational frequencies in the communications link should move the Moon to the distance of more than 1 million kilometers away.

M. Lets switch off the Moon and see what really happens.

Q: As you pointed out so well, the idea of Hatybov is that of so many contradictions…do you think this individual actually existed? What do you make of his larger body of work? Also of note, it appears that Hatybov is attached to Nicolai Levashov. Have you looked into this individual and his aterial/writings? he appears to be a L. Ron Hubbard type from Russia, at least to me. Any thoughts on this individual?

Levanshov with Laurance Rockefeller

A. Yes, Nikolai Levashov is definitely a Russian bootleg copy of Ron Hubbard. There is enough critical information on him in Russian sources. Russian Wikipedia, is very critic of him:

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On Lurkmore, you can find an acid satire:

There is another one person there, called Shkudnev Fedor Dmitrievitsh:

Their works are to be found at the so called Russian Science and Technology Institute

and at the Center of Preemptive Strategies

I have no contacts with trusted persons in Russia in order to verify if Khatybov was real or not. I believe you cannot definitely check this on the basis of Internet materials only. The information is scarce. You could in theory seek to contact Bauman Moscow State Technical University:

Allegedly he finished his studies in 1969 there.

You could also try to reach any of the living academics who allegedly highly esteemed his work. The list of names can be found for example here:

Now I will present my opinion from a more general point of view.

Russians from the times of the beginning of the Soviet Union were always lagging behind in the area of technology and application of sciences. This is well explained in the works of Anthony C. Sutton:

especially in his three volume opus “Soviet Union and the Transfer of Wester Technology”.–Western-Technology-1917-1930–Western-Technology-1930-1945–Western-Technology-1945-1965

They were instead good in theoretical physics and mathematics, because these required only a paper and a pencil, and a lot of time to think, which was easily to come by in a prison type scientific institutes called Sharashkas.

One good example would be the application of Petr Ufimtsev’s Physical Diffraction Theory by American engineers from Lockheed, who designed the stealth F117 bomber. Russians to this day do not posses any comparable technology.

After the fall of the Soviet Union, most of the bright scientists moved to the West. An examples of their achievements can be seen for example from the 2010 Nobel Prize for the discovery of graphene:

Their place was partially taken by charlatans such as Levashov. In recent years Russian government had at their disposal a lot of money reserves, because of high oil prices (not anymore). They tried to revive the sciences by investing money resources. Unfortunately, as is common in Russia it lead only to large defrauding scandals and missing billions of rubles. An example of this would be a state sponsored RUSNANO corporation:

Official financial losses of RUSNANO in 2016 were equal to 17.4 billions of rubles:

Another one is a “a Silicon Valley clone” called Skolkovo:

which is now called “a scam of the century”

There is no real scientific progress being done in Russia now. You see instead a rise of a type of pseudoscience exemplified by Khatybov material. I believe that the originators of these materials count on some financial gains from the ignorant public of the West or from incompetent Russian government.

Q: All of this fascinating. This is a brilliant breakout of his work. I do hope that we can tear apart more this character’s work in the future, especially your take on his €œFundamentals of the Creation of Humankind.€ Spiders, management systems, genotype classifications, octaves…I have always felt at its basis this was a science fiction form of Marxism or Conflict Theory. Or, at the very least, a pseudo-technical allegory of the Archons of Gnosticism.

What are you currently working on in terms of alternate reserach?€ Is there a means people can reach out to you?

A: If we assume that at least some part of Khatybov’s work has some merit one could try find connections to observable reality. The most straightforward way in my opinion would be to identify communications between various parts of the Control System he describes. I we stick to real physics and not to astral planes€ then we could assume that these signals are transmitted in the realm of electromagnetic waves. Now the question arises, in which part of the frequency spectrum these communications take place? He says that messages are encoded in Russian letters. The whole message is composed of 2304 letters and transmission takes 38 minutes and 24 seconds, which is exactly 2304 seconds. You see that the link bandwidth is extremely low: only one letter per second. As we know from the Information Theory the link bandwith is directly proportional to the frequency of the carrier signal. Therefore, we could safely assume that communications take place in the VLF of ELF part of the spectrum.

Another fact which points in the direction or VLF or ELF is that the Control System occupies the whole Earth, from the depths of many kilometers below ground to the upper parts of the atmosphere. Khatybov calls it “atmospheric mesh”. The natural frequencies of Earth’s resonances are of the order of tens of Hertz (beats per second), and are known as Schumann resonances.

The third interesting fact is the existence of Russian ELF communications system called ZEVS. They use it allegedly to communicate with their nuclear attack submarines. The ELF signal penetrates great depths of salt water, and can reach a submarine lying on the ocean floor. The bandwidth of this system is very low. Different letters are encoded in different frequencies, the same way as octave system described by Khatybov.

The VLF receiver is a relatively simple device and can be easily made even by a person without much experience in electronics. In its most primitive form it can be just a large coil, the ends of which are connected to the input of the computer audio card. Low frequency electromagnetic waves by way of electromagnetic induction generate signals with acoustic frequencies, that can be presented on the computer display by a specialized program such as SPECTRAN.

One could also try to point a big TV dish in the direction of the Moon and try to catch some messages from there. I believe that at least the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter is still orbiting the Moon and sending signals to Earth.

As to the means of reaching me out, anyone can leave comments on the blog and I would try to answer any questions through you.

JA: Thank you so much for your time, Dr. Willow. I look forward to chatting with you in the future regarding other Fortean topics.

25 Replies to “Breaking Down the Hatybov Mythos : A Perspective from Europe”

  1. After reading Dr. Willow’s comments… I’m still not sure what to make of the (K)Hatybov material.
    There is JUST enough legitimacy to the writing to make it hard to discount entirely. And you’ve pointed out before that the writings you have access to seem tampered with. And then there was that weird article I shared with you about prolonging ones life indefinitely…
    What do you think about it, now?

    1. I still think it’s been tampered with, possibly by Levanshov, and perhaps the original material was much more philosophical than what we see. Willow has read other material I’ve not had access to, and I’m excited to run through that with him in the future.

    1. Anonmity of the web is always difficult to gauge, but I do believe his research and opinion to be sincere. His interests and perspectives will most certainly add to the whole of the issue

  2. Once you start looking into shit like this you can’t try to prove or disprove it through the science they have out there, its more through personal experience. For instance the owl story

      1. Sorry for being vague but i told u once about how i read the material you posted then 30 seconds after an owl appeared on the tree outside.

      2. I too just encountered owl symbolism while reading into this material. I believe it was on a mans shirt as he walked by. Coincidence? Thanks sage. Any opinions on the owls you are sending our way?

        1. ha, no idea…yet of all things, I picked up on owls during a recent showing of Justice League Crisis on Two Earths and how the “Owl” wanted to destroy the beginning of Creation. Fascinating movie in terms of the idea of a Binary choice on the universe. Have you read Mike Clelland’s book regarding owls by chance?

  3. If you can use it on your individual path in a meaningful way, then do. If it means only speculating in the wind on nothing but science fiction with toy and clever gadgets, just to ponder on the copy-cat inventions of a pseudo-initiatic fiction found on the internet & worse given credibility, in the world where we breathe, using our consciousness on those who keep digging deeper & deeper into this World’s corpses…like most of the scientists debating for approval while they themselves are drowning in an abyss of obnoxious fickle “waves” using instruments made of plastic and glass, filled with artificial electricity, controlled thru mathematical exploits like so many Chinese shadows dancing in a Socratic Cave, pythagorized ?…then just throw it out the window, and the baby in the bath water as well!
    But perhaps I’m just being uselessly facetious? Or is there an immortal in the brush?
    In any case, always do appreciate your sincere research!

  4. Well……..its good to see how some people think about certain subjects…..I really can’t say I was impressed with his logic/reasoning or observations. I can only say when I see people approach subjects in this manner it makes me look at the wild theories as perhaps even more valid then I would have thought. I guess I should thank him………….

  5. I dont like this guy, he is the typical academic, or quackademic as the late Anthony West loved to say, everything that his science can’t explain, or that surpasses our current technological capabilities, is star wars fantasy. With such a mindset he can not possibly attack the subject with a critical, objective view. This said, I was most intrigued by this Hadibov/Khatybov material, I first came across it around ’16 I think, and what hooked me up was the undeniable similarity with the gnostic Archons, subject over which I both studied and written extensively. But, before all this, and I mean all, I was a psychonaut, I dropped my first acid at age 13, and was obsessed by human consciousness ever since. Before you (rightfully) say “what does this have to do with anything?”, hear me out: I kept diving into the deepest part of my subconscious and out of my body for the next 15 years, with different substances, until i reached the conclusion that our planet was invaded by a race of aliens, that tampered both with our environment and our self. These beings feed of our emotions, primarily, and have the power to alter time, it is this power that blocks our powers. That was about 15 years ago, it was after that experience that I read and studied most gnostic material about the archons (which did never even hear about prior my “illuminating” experience) and as many esoteric philosophies i could get my hands on, plus mythology archeology and all the usual suspects. I considered my self a Thelemite for some time, but I transcended that too, I dont want any label associated with myself.
    So, in final, if digging down into our subconscious we come to the conclusion that we are “alien cattle”, there must be some truth to it, and, in Khatibov’s. We are born with knowledge, we are simply led away from it by a thousand distractions, first by our parents (which are clueless) then school, then everything else. Only the curious and the smart are capable of walking the long path towards the truth, and im not sure we can discover it all in a single lifetime, not in these conditions.
    Great blog by way, it’s a pleasure reading you.

    1. Wow, thank you so much for the comment, my friend. I have been too cowardly to try acid personally; yet I don’t doubt there is something that we can experience with that mindset. If you don’t mind me asking, what do you think is the point of origin of all of this? Do you have a gut instinct regarding the validity of Gnostic thought, or even the perspective of folks like John Keel, Crowley, or even Frater Achad? Even if the Hatybov stuff might be the stuff of L Ron Hubbard – Soviet style, I agree that it too has set me on a personal path of further research that I’ve found very rewarding. Hatybov is very Gnostic, with a bit of Gurdijeff thrown with Octaves.
      If I may also ask, would you have a short list of books you have found useful in building your cosmological perspective that others and myself that would love to explore? Books, I think, are the summation of human experience…fortunately we still live in a time where original material (and not digitally edited) exists. Thank you so much once more for the wonderful comment.

      1. Hey, thanx for replying, and sorry for getting back to you this late, its nice to have interaction between writer and reader, and something rare these days.
        So, your question: being totally honest there is only one book that I consider very important, to which ill get in a moment, as generally my overall view is that every thing we read is important, provided we dont make doctrine out of it, and use it to form a bigger picture, something which is, unfortunately, almost unheard of, as humans have an innate need to apply labels and form belief systems, in fact, we can say humanity is his own worst enemy, as lame as it sounds, i know, and most want confirmation and will fight what is true. This is the “knowledge problem” that Krishnamurti went on about for lengths in his later years, the fact that we can’t seem to be able to absorb what we learn without pre conceptions and the subsequent need to, as already mentioned, transform it into some sort of belief.
        Anyways, the book is Liber N.OV.A.S., by Fabio Todeschini, and unfortunately for the world, he only published it in Italian (which fortunately is my first language!). It’s a rather thick book, full of very deep philosophy and occult wisdom, its goal is to make you un-learn everything, to form an armour of detachment from the material world of absolute beliefs and un-needed authority. He spends a lot of effort into identifying the archons with the logos, he calls language a virus, capable of becoming a controlling entity, and rightly so, and even if the concept isn’t entirely new, the way he develops the whole point really is. He calls this anti-doctrine Anarcho-spiritualism, for he encourages everyone to form his own philosophy, giving his own very good advice, quoting older authors and important parts of secret teachings. It’s definitely not your usual occult book, its nithing I’ve read on the subject, where you usually get a system, ritual or else, supposed to be the “new correct way” channeled from above, below etc.. You can say it is an improved “Do what thou wilt should be the whole of the law”, the 21st century version, he is very Crowleyesque, but without the arrogance and the vices, it is something Parsons would thoroughly enjoy reading.
        Also, on a second thought, there is something else that helped me to get rid of beliefs, and it was reading every single alternative cosmology book I could find, beginning with the scientific, to the para scientific, as in flat earth, hollow earth, cell earth, counter earth, ad nauseam! It was a study i truly enjoyed (I had to understand what the fuss was about with the whole flat earth thing, so I approached it with method), and opened my eyes to the extreme melleability of reality, namely: the fact that cell earth was basically proved right by a mechanical experiment in the early 20th century, and is as good a model as the accepted one, and that every person observes reality not only from his own angle, but in his own way. Or, we live on the inside! And trust me, I entertained the possibility as well, im even trying to write a novel about it, with Khatybow elements in it as well, which is why I came back to your site in the first place.. but this is another story for another time 😉
        As Robert Anton Wilson says (more or less): we barely tolerate reality, we live of our personal mythology, of our self imposed reality tunnel..
        Talk to you soon!

        1. Thanks for the comment and recommendation. I just need to learn Italian! I do like the idea that Parsons would appreciate such work over Crowley – my sense of Parsons was that he was brilliant yet tragic character who cared for humanity, was taken advantage of by the MI complex, was sold out by his colleagues, and died a premature death due to whatever circumstances. When you dig into his background (ie not listen to podcasts or read the common books), you see that he was perhaps noticed for his intelligence and intellect at a very early age by the US government, and then steered into his career. And when you read below the lines regarding the buyout of JPL, and how he sold very soon, whereas the others went on to cash out and get involved with people like the Huxleys, you get the sense he was just a naïve, romantic, well meaning individual taken advantage of.

          I should probably write a post about this stuff.

          1. Im very happy to hear your thoughts about Parsons, as it is objectively so very true, and indeed sad. Just as sad as the fact that even in the alternative/counterinformation community he is considered on par with the worst of the satanic establishment. But enough of this, as we are on the same level about it.
            More important, his “Freedom is a Two Edged Sword”, is a book of such profound philosophy it often made my eyes watery (is this the right way of saying it?), and even his posthumously published material is very deep. The reason why I believe he would like my friend Todeschini is because he recognised just as much, the need to clear our minds from the force feeded junk we are all victims of, on a level of de-fohatization, something not many get to.
            But anyways, I never replied to your question about the validity of Gnostic thought.
            Here is my view: first and foremost, nobody which is emotionally alive, can remain untouched after reading the Nag Hamadi scriptures; the message is timeless, and if you can manage, as I did, to put aside the anti-christian bias (meaning the fact that trough our forced education to a senseless doctrine based on sin, repent, and obedience, we are nauseated by Christian terminology), it really becomes an illuminating experience. The trick is putting it on its historical context, and reading the very boring Roman historians of the time really helps. It helps coming to the realization that Abrahamic faiths come from Egyptian Mysteries, and here Tony Bushby’s “Secret in the Bible” really helps, with its awesomely researched book drawing lines between the Egyptian Book of the Dead, the Tarot, the Torah and many Apocripha.
            Gnostics were the last true keepers of ancient knowledge, unfortunately quite diluted by then, but still important. Egypt in the last period was unimaginably corrupt, its priestly caste was only a shadow of its former self, and if it wasn’t for secret schools and illuminated individuals, such as Ezra (as Bushby tells us), nothing would have got to us.
            Take care my friend!

  6. On that note, there’s something I’ve been wanting to pick your brain about just a bit.

    About 9 years ago, I started experiencing what are called hypnagogic hallucinations (the kind where you hallucinate something right after you wake up, the science benignly saying it’s simply the lucic state blending with the waking state). The first one I saw was a large, realistic spider about the size of my hand on the wall across the room. It lasted long enough to confuse me, wonder where the hell he came from, and search frantically for a cup or something to trap it with, when it acted startled after I saw it and ran into the corner of the ceiling and acted like it wriggled through a non-existent crack in the corner. I had some “interesting” dreams (not nightmares) and a bout of sleep paralysis in that I broke free of in the hours before that, falling into a deeper sleep, waking up fully functional to the hallucination.
    About a month later, I had another one, a small realistic looking one, dropping down on a web in front of my face.

    I looked it up, and apparently spiders in particular a very common hypnagogic hallucinations that many people report, the general consensus that it must be anxiety and fear manifesting itself in the dream state bleeding over into the waking and people wake up seeing whispy insectish things as their brain adjusts to the wake state. I’ve never really had an aversion to spiders, I just usually leave them hang out in the corner catching gnats or whatever, but the more aggressive ones I’ve always escorted outside.

    Anyway, the hypnagogic hallucinations evolved beyond spiders in a matter of months and years to follow. From the benign to the bizarre, to actual snippets of information floating in mid air, sometimes seemingly random, other times to very specific points, numbers, or elaborate geometric states. They last long enough where I can grab my phone and jot down what they say, if I can make it out. Some of the detail is crude and scrawled, others look insanely detailed and even realistically digital. I’ve had some interesting experiences come out of it to say the least.

    I was just wondering if you’ve come across this particular trend of post waking hallucination in your work, and if you think there are any ideas worth humoring in connecting that phenom with this Hatybov stuff, as sci-fi as it seems.

    1. Wow, that is interesting. Are you going to publish any of this information that manifests from the Universe into an observational data point for you? That is really fascinating. It almost sounds like an ayahuasca with the mother serpent/snake.

      I haven’t had much luck in my stuff about hallucinations, although I do recall when I started to write about the Hatybov stuff, I did observe a ton of spiders around my home. I would guess that was just a spurious correlation, wherein I was paying more attention to stuff already there. One other odd thing I remember were pigeons; there were a ton of pigeons constantly lined up on a powerline near the garage, and they were always facing north. I have no idea what any of that means, but I remember thinking it odd when I first got into this material.

      I have had some severe, lucid nightmares wherein an unseen presence will violently drag me down to the ground, but I have never seen what that entity is. But I don’t recall anything regarding spiders. I’ve always assumed the lucid dream stuff was one’s ability to tap into the collective unconscious and experience symbols directly (but have to use your own brain/experiences to interpret that material)…just my opinion, however.

  7. That’s a good theory, about the collective unconscious. I’d like to say I have some sort of good theory beyond conventional explanations, but my hands are up – I’ve got no clue beyond that!

    Also interesting is your experience of lucid nightmares; I’ve also had unseen presence(s) interact with me sometimes helpfully, sometimes abusively. They usually happen while I’m lucid dreaming then there will be another layer on top of it where that stuff will happen, almost to the point the normal dream I was having seems like a distraction or cover, including the one that happened a couple hours before the first spider hallucination. Others I’d be levitated against my will (which felt like a similar energy to sleep paralysis, but still in dream), or something teaching me how to levitate myself, or an object. Or the force dragging me from my feet out of an otherwise peaceful dream, with a turbulent force.

    Since I write down as much as I can, I really would like to do something with it from a data standpoint if I could wrap my mind around it better. Some of the motivation comes from bizarre coincidences I’d notice, sometimes years later. Sometimes dumb things like I’ll wake up to a specific style of image and realize I had one very similar to it 3 years prior, almost to the date. Or numbers that I have no clue what they mean, but manipulate them months/years later and realize it counts down to a significant date.

    There was one where I saw the word code in tiny text, right next to a 5 digit number. No clue what it meant, if anything. I Googled it and the only thing that stood out was a zip code in the middle of nowhere, no significance to me. Several years later, when I learned about basic gematria, I went back and tried to see if any of the random words that I’d see added up to anything, and the (unreduced) gematria for code just happened to be the first four digits of the number that appeared with it. Not exact, but kind of an odd coincidence. Months beyond that, I took the same formula on the first word I ever saw after waking, and it was the same four numbers.

    I don’t have as many these days (maybe I’m getting better circulation when I sleep), but it seems like in the last couple years synchronicities (dream related and a lot of real world stuff) seem to be kicking in on overdrive…many times extremely specific stuff. They seem to come in clusters, then shut off like a switch.

    I’m interested to talk to others who have the spider dreams or visions in common, or even the strong synchronicity stuff, but it’s surprisingly hard to get people interested in discussing it.

    1. Thanks for sharing such amazing experiences. I will start by trying to “reply” to your very last question, that about synchronicity. I can tell you, from personal experience, that synchronicities are always there, it is our consciousness that is not always aware enough to recognize them as such, and in this instance astrological alignments play a central role. For example, last year, 2017, from about a month before The Great American Eclipse, to roughly a month later, I was in such a state of awareness to be able to “control” reality. Of course I dont mean shit like making it rain, cause accidents and make people do stuff (although I didn’t try 🤣), but something like never looking at bus time tables, as the bus I needed always showed up in like a minute after I reached the bus stop, knowing exactly what my colleagues were goin to say before they even opened their mouth. I knew were to find my weed guy without having to call him 🚬, I could read and understand all ancient symbolism, the hidden meaning of great artists from the past, find exactly what I needed in exactly that moment by simply following a color, and many more weird things. The best was finding myself in the middle of a purification ritual and finishing it with the most “magical” of results. Basically, I had a podcast on while I was shaving my hair, cutting my nails etc…while Rex (leak project) was reading and ancient Babylonian tablet, by the way, having no clue at all of what he was reading, which turned out to be an allegorical tale for a ritual that involved shaving every single hair on your body, cleaning and cutting your nails and showering for as long as you please, all this for the Goddess Ishtar, for some sort of Alchemical “wedding”. The incredible part is that what he was reading I was doing, in detail, and I dont mean to be gross, I was cleaning my nails from grease and stuff after a days work, and he was reading about exactly tbat, so once I understood what was goin on, I ended up following it step by step (I kept my eyebrows thou..) to achieve such a feeling of cleanliness i never before experienced, and a link to the ancient Moon Goddess that lead me for the whole month afterward. This went on for about two months, the purification ritual being pretty much in the middle, then slowly after the eclipse it started to slow down until everything that could go wrong, went wrong, and be sure that I am still in the process of fixing it up. Im being 100% honest, im using a pseudonym, I have no reason to make myself appear as something Im not, it is the same i use to write and all, I dont care about fame nor about cashing in from my experiences. Humbly and honestly Im just sharing in the hope to help someone.
      Last year it was a very peculiar astrological year, we entered the Lion Door in such a way unseen for millenia, and all those that dared enter it, first got the chance to feel demigodly powers, then were forced to fix all the shit from our past, a sort of balancing, a friend ended up with a broken leg and hip, very painful… In my area a green meteorite fell around June, which started it all, initiating me with the color green (research it, green is a “common” initiatory color for those walking through adepthood by themselves), which I followed like a path in all my synchronistic experiences.
      Hope this was of interest.
      Of much interest to me was your tale about the “Veglia” visions, which science has no fucking clue about. If you suffer from sleep paralysis, as I do heavily, what you are really experiencing is the look at a different dimension, the one in which your consciousness travels during sleep time. If you don’t believe me, and you are not scared about the sleep paralysis thing (as it would appear for the way you mention it), I suggest, the next time it happens, instead of trying to move your body, try to lift your spirit. It ain’t easy, it requires a lot of trial, but if you succeed, first thing you will actually see, is the evil presence you feel standing next to you during the paralysis, and you can even tell it to fuck off, seriously, then you are free to wander in the Universe. There is a guy, names excapes me right now, that has written a book about it, which even for me seems too far out, but he claims that he can even travel trough wormholes, but you’ll be the judge of that.
      Another thing you can do, which I often do, is control/choose your dream. When Im on bed, feeling paralyzed, with this primeval evil presence haunting me, I picture myself calling my dogs to come sleep in bed with me, which usually takes the terror away and allows me to sleep. There is no other option imo, because if you manage to wake from the paralysis, 90% of the times you will fall into another one, at least for me, a heavy sufferer of the “pathology”.
      So, esoterically, when you, Banshh, wake up, you are still adjusting between realms. Science has its own “amazing” way of explaining away the most phenomenal of phenomena (pun intended), like this, like sleep paralysis, and anything its method can’t detect nor understand. Science is a tool for the material world, and should keep minding its own business over there without pretending to understand, and consequently debunk, the “paranormal” or spiritual realm, for which explanations are much better found by ourselves and our own experiences.
      I’ll be happy to hear more stories from you anyway.
      All the best.

      1. sorry, i don’t get why WordPress throws these in the trash randomly. I just found in the bin – WordPress fails again.

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